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  • #5819
    Shinigami
    Participant

    is this a macro?

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    #5822
    ADM_nohope
    Keymaster

    unless there is a specific use in the concerned game of clicking of both buttons at same time , I would say he has fat fingers and a 125 Hz mouse

    #5826
    Shinigami
    Participant

    Just too be sure. This Moss File is from Rb6. Nobody is playing with 125 Hz and got that big fingers. So this is a macro right? I hope i didnt interpret your answer wrong. So i wanted to ask again.

    #5827
    Shadow_R6S
    Participant

    To clearify, pressing left-click and right-click in R6s at the Same time is something many palyer do, but it would not make any sense in a macro.
    I will ask the PLayer which signalrate he uses.

    #5828
    Liyero
    Participant

    I’m the player in Question I use a Logitech G305. the game in question is Rainbow six siege an FPS. I use 1000HZ on my mouse and 400DPI.
    Shadow (the admin of the tournament) wanted me to make sure I register to nohope.eu and comment here in case there any questions.
    just to clarify I am not using any macros on my PC. so it’s either my player habits or something else. we can do further testing if needed.

    #5830
    ADM_nohope
    Keymaster

    there is a problem then , so many regular double clicks would only be possible by pressing both button with same finger , which is not possible on a G305

    #5832
    Liyero
    Participant

    Well, I can assure you I am not using any macros. so what else could it be how can We test it?
    if we could get in touch that would be great since we are discussing my career here.

    #5834
    Shadow_R6S
    Participant

    This are my own logs after trying to press both buttons with diffrent fingers at the same time for 2 minutes and 1000Hz but a driffrent Mouse.
    https://gyazo.com/808baa3a84e61fd95fbed8a69ab082f1
    SHAS2 mode started at 2020-07-13 17:05:19 for Rainbow Six on x64
    Monitor stoppped at 2020-07-13 17:07:02

    @ADM_nohope this is your tool, you know it better then everybody else. Is this a Macro without doubt or might this player just be unlucky?

    #5836
    anon950
    Participant

    I am not nohope (obviously) but I can assure you there is a huge difference between your Screenshot @Shadow and Liyero’s Moss Files. You have a huge variation in milliseconds, as you can see in the graph, it starts at about 3 ms and rises gradually until it hits the peek of 18 events at 6ms and falls a bit steeper after that, kind of like a bell curve. In Liyero’s files you can clearly see there is a huge peak at 9 ms with 39 events, not a single event before that and comparably very low variation/events after 9 ms. I don’t think that it’s humanly possible, not even by accident, to hit both your mouse buttons that often in such intervals. But I’m no expert by any means, I’d like to see nohope clear things up.

    #5837
    Shinigami
    Participant

    btw. in a different match the same happend, just less events, but the same peak at 9 ms.

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    #5838
    anon950
    Participant

    To add to my note, I have inspected a huge number of Moss files from many different players. I have never seen anything like in this exact case before. I used a G305 myself for a long time and never had such a problem on my side.

    #5839
    Liyero
    Participant

    here is the last public moss file of Pengu from 2 months ago:
    https://play.eslgaming.com/rainbowsix/europe-pc/r6siege/pro/season-11/download/28133816/
    is he accused of macros just like me as well?
    other pros have similar “problems” with their moss files

    #5840
    anon950
    Participant

    If you could read my message properly you could see, that I stated there is a huge difference between a bell curve (as in Pengu’s or Shadow’s Moss Files) and the graph of your Moss files. There is a huge variation in Pengu’s as well as in Shadow’s test Moss files on the x-axis. On your graph it’s literally a single peak with very, very minor other occurences in the graph. Again, I’m not the the one that programmed MOSS, but according to the way nohope interprets these graphs it’s not humanly possible to achieve such a graph as in your logfiles, even less in the middle of a match.

    #5841
    RaiDeN
    Participant

    having macros to aim or shoot as well would make absolutely no sense anyway, instead of deciding his career over a graph in a public forum i would suggest to just ask him to monitor his pc however you want maybe an invasive program or recordin his hands and pov if you need to, i’m sure the guy is willing to let you do whatever you ask for, plus average young human reaction time for short movements is 2 ms as stated by a study of oxford university and this is 10 ms that makes it slow enough to be human.

    #5842
    Liyero
    Participant

    if you read pengus moss he has way more events (hundreds) and way more consistency at 49 events on 03ms also different people and players have different habits and are everyone is built differently the fact that moss shows a graph is already considered “abnormal” and it shows there are possible problems with judging if you have macros or not using this graph. and they are probably more players out there with very similar mosses to mine.
    also, it was said that is not possible to press so many times on mouse right and left at the same time unless you use one finger but pengu and other players are doing it. just like me some do it more some do it less.
    just like Kantoraketti does right here:
    https://play.eslgaming.com/rainbowsix/europe-pc/r6siege/pro/season-11/download/28133818/
    and there are more I’m sure!
    so just this little thing with saying it’s impossible and the evidence shows it is possible shows that whatever is said in this thread can be discredited.

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